VET TRUCK CONFIDENTIAL: Thoughts on Equine Practice in 2024

Here's another episode where three equine vets get to chit chatting. Thanks to Dr. Misty Gray and Dr. Kelly Zeytoonian for joining me as we dive into some recent topics and share our self-care wins.


Chapters
00:36
Discussion on Changing the AAEP Bylaws
07:04
Pushback against Allowing Membership to Vote for AAEP President
16:07
Change Management and Bridging the Gap
23:32
Challenges of Being Working Moms
32:35
Self-Care Practices

Transcript

Stacey Cordivano (00:02.131)

Hey there, we're back with my friends, Kelly Zeytoonian and Ms. Gray, and we are doing another casual chat about equine veterinary industry at large. So be prepared to hear more from them throughout the year this year because we're going to do this more often. Hi ladies.

Misty (00:32.622)

Hello.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (00:33.676)

Hello, hello.

Stacey Cordivano (00:36.064)

Okay, so I mean there's a zillion things to talk about, but Misty did not go to AAEP this year, but one of the topics kind of followed us all home.

Stacey Cordivano (00:58.875)

Okay, first we should acknowledge that Misty has two new guinea pig pets. Welcome to the family. What are their names?

Misty (01:01.475)

Thank you.

Misty (01:07.55)

Marshmallow and hippo.

Stacey Cordivano (01:10.003)

Very cute. Okay, so Misty didn't go to AAEP this year, but a topic kind of followed everyone home if you are a member of Equine Vet2Vet. And Kelly and I were at the general membership meeting where this idea of changing the bylaws to allow the membership to vote for the AAP president was brought up. And I kind of wanted to continue the conversation.

Stacey Cordivano (01:38.451)

because there's lots of different angles and viewpoints and yeah, let's chat.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (01:46.988)

And I think maybe.

Misty (01:47.202)

All right, I have a question to start. Were either of you actively aware that we didn't vote on our president?

Stacey Cordivano (01:59.538)

Yes.

Misty (02:02.358)

Like I know that I haven't voted, but I'm not sure before it was brought up that it was even part of my awareness that like it never even struck me as, oh wait, yeah, how does that person become our person?

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (02:19.852)

wasn't, I can, I agree with you Misty, I can say that I wasn't. And on top of that, to back up the general meeting was also something that was never on my radar. And so I think that also needs to be like, that could be a conversation in itself, which is sort of like the communication stream and information sharing.

Stacey Cordivano (02:33.448)

Yeah.

Misty (02:36.186)

Mm hmm.

Stacey Cordivano (02:47.687)

Yeah. And like the, the one thought is like, Hey, it's on the agenda. It's been on the agenda. It's at the same time every year. Like, here you go. But I also have never heard of it and did not know what happened at it.

Misty (03:02.722)

So I wonder, do you think that is in part because, I mean, I don't know what the origin story of the AAEP as a organization is, but I wonder if just as like any business that grows, has exponential growth, if we're so far down the road from the founding fathers where it was something that everyone attended and looked forward to and knew about that there's.

like a missing part of inclusion or awareness for the general membership now. Like if you weren't part of the starting group, would you even know or know that it's important?

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (03:48.428)

I think you hit the nail on the head because we even heard from some individuals who stepped up and said, we were here at the original meeting. We've been present at every single AAP meeting. And that is, in my mind, commendable and impressive. But, and it's a big fat but, the organization has changed dramatically.

Misty (04:07.374)

Sure.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (04:17.464)

And the industry that feeds into that organization, we know has changed dramatically. And there's a completely different desire and expectation of what we get from this organization, I think. And that's.

Misty (04:36.942)

Gosh, and even how, like technology, the ability to communicate, how information is passed down and people are aware of these things has changed so tremendously. That, right? Like it's, even, gosh, that spirals us off into conversations between people using the listserv versus the Facebook.

Stacey Cordivano (04:56.041)

Yeah.

Misty (05:05.534)

groups versus, you know, like social media. It's just, I'm not sure that as the organization has grown, that it's grown proportionately with or taken into account all of the factors that impact people's ability to know and be involved. Not, and that's not as a criticism. It's just trying to understand why or how, I think.

Stacey Cordivano (05:35.375)

Yeah. And then to kind of get back to like the biggest issue that was brought up at that meeting was this idea that the board of directors who we do vote on.

Misty (05:47.626)

Right.

Stacey Cordivano (05:48.807)

aside from the executive director and the president, they are also part of the board of directors, but we vote on that board of directors. And the board of directors made a change to the bylaws. So it was their idea to bring this concept of voting on two people presented by the nominating committee, which to my understanding, the nominating committee is.

Misty (05:55.104)

Okay.

Stacey Cordivano (06:15.875)

is made up of past presidents and a couple of other people. So they do the handpicking of those two people. And then this new change would then allow membership to vote on those two candidates in a similar way as we vote on board of directors members. And the pushback.

was that shouldn't happen. And I still like, I wish I had time in that meeting to just simply ask the people that were against this, like, what are you so scared of by allowing the general membership to vote on these two people that are handpicked and have to have all these qualifications and meet these certain standards and haven't been on the board and have served on committees. Like they're well vetted people.

What are you so scared of? All I heard at the meeting was that the person who lost was going to be upset and leave the organization and we were going to lose a good member. And.

Um, what if they weren't, what if it was a popularity contest? And I, I just, I can't, I still can't wrap my head around how those potential negatives outweigh the benefit of allowing members to feel like they have a say in their leadership.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (07:24.768)

Yeah.

Misty (07:41.449)

So what happens now though?

Stacey Cordivano (07:44.187)

Right now, the same nominating committee narrows it down to a very small list of people, picks their very best one, presents it to the board of directors, and they just say, yes, like, I don't know that anyone has ever been.

Misty (08:01.378)

Okay, so it still gets narrowed down to a couple of people, and someone still wins, thereby having someone does not win. And it would appear that we have not lost valuable members. Is that because, is the thinking that, because it's not public?

Stacey Cordivano (08:19.739)

I kind of wonder if like, yeah, it's not public. And I kind of wonder if like that second place person will know. I don't think that second place person knows. And like, maybe they're in the running the next year again, or like, I don't know that for sure, but.

Misty (08:23.222)

so therefore it doesn't sting as bad.

Thank you.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (08:32.48)

Right, exactly. So that's the impression that I got was that there's basically, there just becomes this sort of short list and these individuals get funneled in on an as needed basis to these leadership roles within the organization. 

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (08:58.976)

And that certainly makes sense that you kind of handpick and you nurture and you bring along individuals who have been invested in the organization and who know the ins and outs and have a rapport because let's face it, it takes knowing the number of people and knowing the ins and outs of how the different committees work and all of that.

to, I think, really efficiently work through the process and be a good leader for the group. What stood out to me, in addition to Stacey, what you've already said, what stood out to me is you had all of these, what I will say, what I will call younger members, who were sitting there saying, but what about me? How do I even get into the mix? How do I even get involved?

and work my way up through the ranks to be considered for these leadership roles when I'm not even being tapped for simple committees and simple support at the lower level. And so I think we were in a sense voting and talking about the leadership role and how we vote on that. But the undertone I got from it was

you're forgetting about so many members on a regular basis, whether that be through a lack of communication or understanding of these general assembly meetings, whether it's a lack of understanding about how you become a volunteer. It felt like it was, I think a cry for help is not the right word, but it felt like it was this turning point of like,

We haven't been heard. We don't feel like we're part of the decision-making factor. And in addition to that, we don't even know how we can become more empowered to be part of that process.

Stacey Cordivano (11:05.035)

Yeah, and for people who already feel a little bit disillusioned with equine practice, which has nothing to do with AAP, right? If you're at the middle of your career and you're feeling a bit burnt out and pulled in too many directions, and then you go to this meeting or you hear about on Facebook that you don't get to vote for your president, that's a little bit of a...

Misty (11:13.448)

Right.

Stacey Cordivano (11:29.287)

slap in the face to someone who's already struggling with this idea of like, wow, equine practice is great. And that's ultimately what the AAP is promoting because there are ways that it can be great. But I think, yeah, I would agree. I think people felt unsupported.

Misty (11:43.398)

Man, and some of the message was that, I mean, and maybe I misinterpreted it, but I feel like some of what I heard from members that were there was that not only do you not get to vote for your president, that doesn't feel good, but the reason you don't get to vote for your president is because there's an overwhelming fear that allowing other members to vote would somehow ruin

the trajectory of the AAEP. I mean, like that was, I was told that was some, like an actual version of a comment that was made. And like that sure feels awful.

Stacey Cordivano (12:26.915)

Yeah, I can't say that wasn't sort of a sentiment that was expressed.

Stacey Cordivano (12:35.887)

I keep going back to this popularity contest. I'm sorry. Wait, go ahead.

Misty (12:35.95)

Because then I hear that and like my gut reaction is, but yeah, you know, like that's my gut reaction is so bad to that. And, but then, and so then I'm like, okay, so let's make our, like why, let's seek to find out why. Why would someone think that? I'm like, I really, I struggle to come up with something that feels any better. Like maybe there, so maybe for making the most generous assumption.

that there must be a portion of the job of the AAE president that maybe the general membership can't appreciate or understand. And therefore, there's concern that we wouldn't be able to vote for a worthy person. But then I thought that was kind of the point of the selection committee first. You know?

Stacey Cordivano (13:33.339)

Yeah, I agree. I mean, the nominating committee is there to pick two great candidates, which, you know.

whether it becomes a popularity contest when the general membership votes, or it's a popularity contest when the nominating committee votes, it's sort of all the same to me. Um, I think maybe isn't the most generous assumption, but if I'm trying to put myself in other people's shoes, like it is still a bit of a fear and control issue. I mean, that might be an overstatement.

Misty (13:49.698)

Yeah.

Stacey Cordivano (14:11.943)

but it's what it felt like in the moment.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (14:12.552)

Change is hard, right? Change is hard. And like, we've always done it this way is the most dangerous phrase of any organization. And I think, and I also think we should say in our talking and discussions, in no way, I think is there any intention for us diminishing the hard work of the individuals who are in leadership right now.

Stacey Cordivano (14:25.535)

Yeah.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (14:42.344)

Right? Like, you do need to pay your dues. You do need to be part of the organization. You do need to volunteer on committees and work through the process and see what goes into it and have an appreciation for just how heavy the load of volunteerism to keep this group moving forward in a meaningful manner. And so I don't think, you know, I don't think that any

We don't diminish that by this process, whether it be the nominating committee or whether it be by popular vote, if you will. I think those individuals who are making an impact and who are contributing are going to be known and they're going to be voted for. My question and challenge is how are we getting those individuals into...

the organization in the first place. What is the succession plan of the AAP? Because right now, I think that they are disengaging with the newer population, and that's a slippery slope, and it's a dangerous path to go down if you want to have a healthy and sustainable succession plan in place.

Stacey Cordivano (16:07.111)

So then the question becomes around this idea of like change management, right? Like change is hard. And, you know, we're not sitting here pretending that we understand the gravity of running an organization with 8,000 members. Like that's a massive group. But it does.

Misty (16:22.446)

Thank you.

Stacey Cordivano (16:29.147)

If we are going for sustainability, increased engagement in the younger population, their voices were clearly heard or hopefully are being heard. So how do we go about getting people to change their opinions on allowing more input?

Misty (16:54.638)

Okay, and can I just, I'm just gonna say, the two of you know me well, not everybody that listens here knows me well or at all. I am not one to rock the boat or offend people. It's my deepest desire not to ever do that, but I cannot wrap my head around why, why is like change management, yes, change, like all of that, yes, I'm with it. Why is it such a radical idea that

to let the membership vote. I really did not anticipate that having such a, this does not feel like it should be a controversial decision. It blew my mind that it became a thing.

Misty (17:40.394)

Am I wrong on that? No, right? It really, that blew my mind. I just doesn't, like, in the world that we live in, why is it such a radical?

Stacey Cordivano (17:41.496)

No, no, I don't have an answer.

Misty (17:54.834)

emotion driven decision to let a group of professional members in a professional organization vote for two preselected members. That blows my mind and I have not been able to come up with a answer to that.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (18:14.396)

It was emotional. Sitting in that room, there were very emotional individuals giving feedback. And again, I think that this boat was just like an outer, it was like the thing at the meeting. That was sort of a tipping point or a culmination of feelings.

Misty (18:17.71)

Thank you.

Misty (18:38.466)

Right.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (18:43.508)

I don't think the vote itself actually is the primary issue. It was like the thing that people could get up and publicly start to speak about. And so...

Misty (18:55.946)

Yeah. Well, and then the vote didn't happen. Like it also it also didn't happen.

Stacey Cordivano (19:02.907)

Well, you know, and I'm thinking back on that and maybe it's better that the vote didn't happen because. There were not a lot of people there, right there. I mean, that meeting room, they are apparently not used to very many people coming because there was like about 60 seats and hopefully the room they booked next year will be bigger because I think it'll be better attended. But, you know, maybe it is better that it didn't vote so more people could learn about this and it's kind of why we're talking about it, right? Just to sort of spread awareness.

Misty (19:19.286)

Thank you.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (19:30.184)

Yeah, because if I'm, if I, when I walked away from that meeting, you know, in my mind, I'm thinking something way better than having a nominating committee then present me with just two choices is also out there, right? Like the process that we were voting on was kind of an in between of what a true democratic process would.

Stacey Cordivano (19:43.967)

Mm-hmm.

Misty (19:58.879)

Right.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (19:59.636)

would be. And so I think the beauty of it is it gives us, delaying the vote gives us time, gives the board time to think about the process, to educate the entire membership, not just the people in that room, about the pros and cons of said process and have a little bit more discussion that comes from a place of really

thinking about just that topic itself and not letting the undertones of dissatisfaction drive the discussion. My hope though is that those undertones of dissatisfaction find a voice and find a venue for also driving some change, right? I mean...

Misty (20:38.87)

Yeah.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (20:54.384)

our sep seminars, right? We are, we say we're like disrupting the equine industry. I am hopeful. Yes.

Misty (21:01.89)

Disrupting we don't want to just we don't want to destruct it. We want to disrupt it

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (21:06.248)

No, not. No. Yes. All right. Am I. Did I have a stutter? Disrupt!

Stacey Cordivano (21:06.471)

No, she said she said disrupt.

Stacey Cordivano (21:12.289)

Hehehe

Misty (21:13.33)

Perhaps it's my connection.

Stacey Cordivano (21:14.923)

Thanks for watching!

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (21:16.652)

disruption, not destruction.

Misty (21:19.687)

Right?

Stacey Cordivano (21:20.07)

Thank you.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (21:22.776)

We want to make it better and we want people to have that voice. And I stood up there and I showed the booklet that we made in the practice culture subcommittee for AAP. And it's all about how you bring and foster the relationship among all of your team members. And my hope is that everybody on the board and all of the individuals past

past presidents who stood up and people that had very strong feelings on one side or the other, I hope that they read it and I hope that they consider that we're falling short as an organization in several of those pillars for a healthy culture.

Stacey Cordivano (22:08.911)

Yeah, I mean, and the board, like, let's just reiterate, the board did bring this up, right? And they suggested this. So the current board who we have voted for is in support and is trying to make positive change to be more inclusive. Like Kelly said, maybe, you know, I shouldn't be a nominating committee and maybe she'd be purely democratic, but I'll take what I can get here and there, I think. And so yeah, for me, it's like, how do we bridge the gap between these two camps?

Misty (22:16.871)

is in support.

Stacey Cordivano (22:37.203)

Well, in that meeting room anyway, there were two distinct camps, some certainly more heated than others, kind of just, yeah, in this battle of, no, you shouldn't change anything. We've done great in these last bazillion years as we are. And, you know, yes, please give me a voice because I feel like I don't have one and I'm a tiny minuscule portion of this organization. So,

I think that's, that's the conundrum. I mean, we don't have to solve it luckily, but, uh, interesting to keep the conversation going about it. And also interesting kind of to hear what you guys have heard kind of on the sidelines, different takes on it. Interesting and a little sad actually, but, um, okay, let's move on to another uplifting topic.

Misty (23:11.302)

I'm sorry.

Stacey Cordivano (23:32.563)

This is a super positive episode. Change is hard. How's it going as working moms for y'all?

because it's going great over here.

Misty (23:48.202)

go first. I'm too tired.

Stacey Cordivano (23:49.499)

I'm sorry.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (23:58.54)

school-aged children so that maybe is easier or harder you know not really sure but I am

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (24:13.184)

tired also.

Stacey Cordivano (24:15.436)

Nobody has words to describe how shitty it is.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (24:25.076)

Like I put a pin in it the other day. Like I am not, I am not a major extrovert, right? I enjoy relationships. I certainly enjoy taking care of clients and you know, educating them and making sure that they get everything that they need out of me and out of the practice on a day-to-day basis. Like I thrive on those results. And like that's something we talk about in the SEP seminars is the communication styles. I thrive on taking

care of people in a sense of like helping them reach their goals. That is my love language, if that is one is like goal oriented. I made it up. Well, that's Kelly's love language is like, what are you trying to do? What goal are you reaching for? I am going to like give you a leg up to help you get there. That's my love language. Um, and it wears me out though. Like I love it and I'm energetic about it when I'm present out in the field and doing

Stacey Cordivano (25:01.007)

No, you totally just made that up.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (25:23.58)

It wears me out. And then I think what I found is, you know, before I could go home and many people don't like writing medical records, it's cathartic for me. Like it is my like finalizing of the process in the day and then I'm done with it. And like that can be my closure and I can turn off. Like I have taken them, the client, the patient, whatever, where they need to go, it's documented. I'm not losing sleep that night or I'm not thinking about it. So that's cathartic.

cathartic for me. But I realized the other day as I was getting home that like I then don't just go home and take a deep breath and turn it off. I am walking up the stairs and hear Maddie, you know, playing with the nanny and it's instantly like wash my hands, change out of dirty clothes and put that face on again. And I love it.

Misty (26:13.058)

Thank you.

Stacey Cordivano (26:20.896)

Mm-hmm.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (26:21.304)

And she is so fun and she's at like an incredibly engaging and changing age that I'm, I am energized by it, but it's still putting on a face and it's being on all the time. So when I get her to bed, then I'm like, well, I am done. I'm, there's just not anything left. So it's all fun and it's all wonderful. But

Misty (26:33.654)

Mm-hmm.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (26:49.541)

It's all that there is at the moment.

Stacey Cordivano (26:52.243)

a lot. It's a lot. And then there's not that feeling of closure either. Oh, sorry.

Misty (26:53.662)

Yeah. I'm struggling with, I think, the whiplash. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead, Stace.

Stacey Cordivano (27:01.551)

Yeah, then there's not that feeling of closure either, right? Like you still have medical records hanging over your head or you do them later and then you get even less sleep or you don't do them and then you feel bad that you didn't do them and cycles.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (27:16.236)

Well, I luckily have wonderful technicians who are writing my records for me during the day. So all I have to do is go in and rewrite or respell words that they phonetically put in there or put things in order. So that's like a whole other subject and obviously technician utilization and technology utilization. But I am finding myself really, I think, being harder on the team to make sure that those things happen. So that I don't...

go home until those records are written most of the time.

Stacey Cordivano (27:49.319)

Yeah, that's why I'm demoing AI generated record software currently. Yeah. What were you going to say before?

Misty (27:53.898)

Yeah, I want to hear about that at some point.

Yeah, I think I'm struggling with the like the whiplash of the different responsibilities. So I went to a CE meeting a couple of weeks ago, a week ago, I don't know, all the days run together, but it was four or five days away. And the information was like really...

Energizing, I felt like I was learning good stuff. I really enjoyed the like focus.

camaraderie, I guess, like the, I enjoyed the like, so I stayed with two colleagues who are members of a decade one group that I work with. So it's like some really good face to face hangout time and talking about cases and like really like medicine focused sort of stuff, patient care focused, and I thought that was really energizing. I haven't done it in a while. I feel like.

The majority of my energy at the moment is going towards managing parenting stuff. And the work stuff is falling second tier, I guess. Like it's all still happening, but on the energetic priority level, the parenting is getting the main focus. So it's kind of fun to do the, like to feel more professional, I think, like me as the professional there for a few days.

Misty (29:30.822)

At the same time, shit was hitting the fan at home. Right? Like it wasn't, and that's not a critique of my partner because he's wonderful. We just, there was a situation that happened at home that required a lot of me.

kind of like separating, you know, like sitting and making, holding myself accountable. Like I am not there right now. I cannot do X, Y, and Z in this moment. I'm sitting in the lecture hall. I have paid money to be here. I'm gonna focus on this and like really soak it in and then step away in the breaks and try to kind of like help to manage this really tricky situation at home. Gosh, and it's just like the whiplash of going back and forth between.

what's required to be the best parent that I need and the best advocate for my struggling kiddo could take all of my time and energy. And then practice also, like I'm not working as much as I thought that I would be. I can't right now. I mean, I couldn't, but in that moment when I'm learning and like seeing the results and I come back and have an appointment and I can't wait to go show it,

Stacey Cordivano (30:36.552)

Mm-hmm.

Misty (30:53.426)

That's the stuff that you kind of miss and gets put to the side to deal with everything. I don't know, like I just, it feels like a lot of like, you know, my head's turning in all directions. It's exhausting.

Stacey Cordivano (31:08.251)

Yeah, it is. And it's not to say that other people don't have hard lives or are pulled in multiple directions, but I brought it up because I mean, I know the three of us, um, are all juggling a lot, a lot right now. And I know there's other people out there listening that are juggling the same, and it's just sort of nice to hear that everybody kind of struggles.

Misty (31:31.95)

You're not alone. Yeah.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (31:34.58)

Is it the sandwich generation or something like that? Not only are you taking care of your children, but you're also taking care of your parents. And so it's not just, you know, oftentimes the joys of a small child who's growing and changing and has needs, but it's also in some ways like the loss of your parents, whether they're still with us or not. It's a loss of like how you've previously seen them.

Stacey Cordivano (31:38.857)

Yeah.

Misty (31:39.029)

Mm-hmm.

Misty (32:02.427)

Mm-hmm.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (32:03.088)

end to you and now the roles are changing and you are more of their advocate for health and wellness. There are people listening that maybe don't have children but have parents that are in the situation and it is similarly exhausting and does take a mental and physical toll.

Stacey Cordivano (32:25.475)

Yeah. Okay, well, let's end on something you're doing to take care of yourself.

Stacey Cordivano (32:35.359)

Let's hope there's one thing. Say it again. Awesome.

Misty (32:35.662)

I made a massage appointment.

I made a massage appointment. I made it this morning. I have a trigger point in my left shoulder, left, right, like all of us previous repro, reckling folks have, but I sat with a heating pad on it last night and I thought, you know what? I'm just gonna make a massage appointment. So I did that.

Stacey Cordivano (32:46.813)

Mm-hmm.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (33:03.156)

Hey, Stacey, what about you?

Stacey Cordivano (33:05.851)

Um, I have been pretty good about keeping up with the Thai yoga, which is fundamentally a massage. And, um, I started going to TRX gym two mornings a week. And aside from snow days, womp, uh, I've been pretty good about sticking with that and I feel stronger and that is good.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (33:28.268)

Nice. I have a couple. I'm flossing.

Misty (33:34.294)

Go girl. The dance or dental care? Yeah.

Stacey Cordivano (33:36.039)

It's.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (33:38.56)

Definitely dental care.

Stacey Cordivano (33:42.175)

That should be a goal for the alumni event is to learn how to floss together. Flossing's high on my self-care list, Kelly, I hear you.

Misty (33:44.173)

Hahaha

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (33:47.372)

Oh my gosh.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (33:51.4)

Yeah, just like how many times do you go, I don't have time to do that. And like I have my nightly routine. So it's flossing and other things, but like I'm spending that time to do those things to take care of myself. So that's one. And then I have really started doing a better job of leaving my phone somewhere else. So sorry if I'm not catching up on tech streams ladies, but I do, I plug it in and I leave it.

Stacey Cordivano (34:18.622)

Good for you.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (34:21.52)

Um, you know, when I get home at the end of the day, so that I'm engaged, I'm doing the things that I need to do with Maddie. I'm not getting a message from a trainer or client or somebody asking questions that I don't need to answer right then, but I feel like I need to because my phone is in my hand. Um, so I've been creating boundaries for myself by just like forgetting my phone.

Stacey Cordivano (34:35.912)

Mm-hmm.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (34:47.328)

And then lastly, we are going to the alumni event in Arizona in just a few short weeks, which I'm really excited about because the focus is going to be on us and on, you know, rest and relaxation and collegiality with some of our alumni and partners. So I'm super excited about that. And I think getting away and spending that time dedicated to ourselves is going to be really nice.

Stacey Cordivano (35:16.871)

Yes, massage already scheduled for that weekend. All right, well.

Misty (35:22.306)

Kelly, I'm so glad to hear that your phone's not with you because I texted early the other morning and after I sent it, I was worried. But I know that you turn it off. I did tell myself that, but still there was a part of me that felt like I might get scolded.

Stacey Cordivano (35:40.635)

Okay, well, it was fun chatting. We're gonna do this again more, so I'll see you soon. 

Misty (36:19.298)

Maybe I'll sing next time. Ha ha ha.

Stacey Cordivano (36:21.124)

Ooh, something to look forward to.

Stacey Cordivano (36:26.53)

Okay, happy birthday Misty!

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (36:27.087)

Always great to see you.

Misty (36:28.738)

Thank you.

Stacey Cordivano (36:31.735)

You didn't know it was her birthday today? We're really on top of things around here.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (36:34.662)

Thank you.

Ah!

Misty (36:39.752)

Hahaha!

Stacey Cordivano (36:46.067)

Alright, I'll talk to you ladies later. Thanks.

Kelly Zay Two Knee In (36:50.022)

Bye!

Misty (36:50.562)

Bye!